Open Letter to Mumbai Police: If It Was My Daughter Hiding Her Face In That Hotel, Thank You For Slapping Her




 

Letter is written in reply to Couples picked up from hotel rooms, charged with ‘public indecency’




 

Dear Mumbai Police,

I hope this letter finds you in the pink of health. Hopefully, I’m not disturbing you at the moment. I’m sure there are many more hotels and pubs and parks to raid in this country but I promise this won’t take time. I know it’s solely because of you that we sleep peacefully every night at our homes. And if it weren’t for you, my daughter would have probably been pregnant by now. So firstly, Thank You so much for being around to take care of my kids who are really going out of hand these days. Thank you for slapping them when they have really crossed all limits. I mean come on — look at them.

From pubs and parks, they have taken to hotel rooms now. That too, shamelessly — after giving their identity proofs and money. They should at least have the shame to produce fake IDs in front of the hotel receptionist.

Trust me, I really appreciate your sacrifice for the country. Being up all night to raid hotels to find couples performing a heinous crime needs dedication. Haven’t they heard of transparency? That is the need of the hour after all in this country. Trust me, you have more than covered up for your suspension over the liquor racket incident. The authorities will be happy.

You know what, you’re right. You were absolutely right in slapping a girl for performing a gruesome crime called ‘sex’ behind closed doors. Look at our country — People are dead in a train accident. People are dying in floods. Infiltrators have shot dead two BSF jawans. Kashmir is on the boil. The economy is sluggish. FDI isn’t happening. The Chinese are investing in Pakistan and Russians are gifting them attack helicopters. All this is happening and nobody cares. But my daughter, with so much hate in this world, should shut doors to perform an act of love. You’re right, she should be slapped. 

Rape, you perform. Bribe, you take. Terrorists, you miss. Sex rackets you can’t find. But my daughter should hide her face for having consensual sex. She should be slapped. Why?

Because, she should have done it right in front of you, those couples should have done it right in front of you because flashing penises in heavy traffic and grabbing boobs at public places don’t bring you humiliation do they? Because those assh*les perform these acts proudly. So my daughter MUST BE slapped for hiding her face for expressing love to her partner.

My daughter should’ve been slapped if she hid her face in that famous pub attack in Mangalore when innocent couples were beaten up for expressing their love towards each other on Valentine’s day. My daughter should’ve been slapped if she ran away in the fear that you’d get her married if she was seen with her partner in the parks of Mumbai on February 14th. And she should have definitely been slapped if you found her behind closed doors with a man loving her and not raping her AND she hid her face. If you wouldn’t slap her for being such a coward, I would. So great job I must say!

I would’ve said this to you and more had it been my daughter who was humiliated to a point where she wanted to commit suicide for no fault of hers. I would’ve said this to you in these many words had you called me. Honestly, if you find sex ‘indecent’ I’m really sorry for your wives and husbands. Poor souls can’t enjoy the single most amazing experience in the world.

So let me explain to you the meaning of ‘public indecency’ dear saints — it is an inappropriate act performed in PUBLIC spaces. For example, when you ask for a bribe shamelessly in public or when you paint the walls with urine each and every day of your life — that is public indecency.

I gave my daughter the permission to live life on her terms, then who the f*ck are you to humiliate her for the most decent act in the world. You may be animals raping girls left, right and centre, my daughter will make love. With her consent. Consent, a word you’ll never understand the meaning of — I taught her well. I have also given her consent to run over you if you ever try to stop her alone at an ‘indecent’ hour at night because that’s how much I trust you.

So let me tell you this — I will hold my baby girl when she falls but you, please mind your own business.

With lots of hate,

Yours truly x

 

 

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  • Vishal Sachdev

    Bravo lady.. Truly Bravo!

  • tani

    wowwwwwww salute d writer of d letter………. any response mumbai Police CMM

  • Mayur

    Salute.. Salute… Salute.

  • Khan

    this is the bold and brave and really challenging Moral Policing but I am surprise why have you hidden your identity? it looks like fake one nevertheless the brilliant peace on Police face

    • Ramsay Abraham

      English, dear boy. You need to go back to school.

  • Rishab Srivastava

    Man kudos to the writer…

  • Puneet Bishnoi

    gr8 letter maam….bcauz urs thought are beyond imagination….i wish evry parents must hav dat much of trust…

  • Talha Qureshi

    No response….u hv to bribe thm for it.

  • Happy

    Now a days people write such open letters to PM, POLICE , COMMUNITY etc it is a fashion now. Now police cought those guys n did wherever they do in such scenarios generally….but maam u would probably be grateful to police if they would have saved ur daughter from any mafia or something…if she wanna do love making why can’t she do it in her own property..in hotels or lodges people install cameras make videos n then it is entertainment for so many ….now u r abusing police but then wht u could have done…approach to the same police…..m I right …..

    • Dev Varte

      yeah but you forgot that police are for the people by the people not against people and creating humiliating situations for the one who must be protected.
      i would not offend you by saying against your views but it is not justified that we support police in all cases.
      the top police officials are always ahead and imparting their duties without caring about their own personal life and i respect them but this incident was not at all justified and can be termed as immoral act of Some policemen not the Entire mumbai Police

      jai maharashtra

    • Arnold Marques

      You’re missing the point here my friend. The writer is pointing out the ridiculous stance the police force is taking on this matter. In which part of the constitution is it stated that a man and woman cannot perform consensual sex behind closed doors? What right does the police have to enter a private room, which has been paid for legally, and then apprehend innocent people for an act of making love?
      Protecting the citizens of this country, that’s their job. Not infiltrating hotels (private spaces) arresting people from the hotel rooms (again, private spaces) and then claiming that they were indulging in indecent behaviour in a “public space”.

    • Go j

      install cameras in hotel bedrooms?

      Shouldn’t the police the do their job, and go after the hotels who do that??

      HOTELS ARE MEANT FOR GUESTS TO STAY.

      It’s like saying “i won’t drive anymore because i might get into an accident”

      • Takbir Khan

        Wooooooooooooo,when u watching porn movie then u feel i wish i cud that way,but u can’t do that,don’t talking about girls or women you never respect them,

    • Nish

      Isnt it a good thing that we can easily express opinion by writing open letters? No viloence or aggresiveness in this unlike what police does!

  • Sadly, westernization intruding into our culture and such incidents do come into light where people need hotel rooms to do such act. In 90% of such cases, people will not going to marry the same opposite person and it’s a fact! All they call it AFFAIRS! Nowadays Love is rare and most cases it’s just physical attraction or lust of concupiscence. Who do come into hotel / lodges from pubs and discotheques? Often they do one night stand. Next day a new partner will join in. Do you call this a freedom of choice?? Sadly in the name of freedom of choice we are crossing the limit. Somewhere there should be a limit to all these and I really appreciate, moral policing done by Police.

    • Go j

      India has the second largest population in the world, so OBVIOUSLY lots of people are having sex. Drive 1 hr outside mumbai, and go to the mall villages where girls as young as 15 yrs of age are being married off/promised like cattle. I’d like to see the police do their job, then.

      And Yes, it IS freedom of choice.

      FREEDOM, in its very essence, means doing what you like as long as it doesn’t break any laws and impedes on the freedom of others

      If you don’t like it – don’t do it. don’t like what you are seeing, don’t watch it.

      I don’t know how we can become a 1st world country when we aren’t even allowed to make basic choices for ourselves

      • India have second largest population because unawareness about preventive measure about birth control of contraceptives but it doesn’t mean here that, it is also top country in doing sex! Truth behind so called freedom of choice allowing western modern countries is that, people do more sex than India as they begin it there at the age of 10-15. Negative side is, early age pregnancy and child abortion rates are high. Study too shows, early sex can also cause medical problems later in life. Cancer of the uterus is more prevalent in women who began sexual relationships early in life. There is also a high rate of venereal diseases associated with early sex and STD’s. Changing of partners is cheating in love and will result in increase in number of divorce cases. Thus it also affects mental health of children of these parents. Yes, sex is basic necessity, choice and there is a way to have it after marrying your partner. By doing so, no police will knock your door!. To make it 1st world country doesn’t mean if they (western countries) follow open sex culture then we should follow it blindly. Rather we should focus more to make our country progressive, there are several other ways apart from SEX. Don’t compare their and our culture in the name of freedom of choice. There was a time when they were roaming naked in jungles here in our country people were learning sanskrit shlokas, in universities! But I do personally think, having freedom of choice doesn’t mean doing sex for fun with multiple partners outdoors.

    • Ramsay Abraham

      Yes. I do call it ‘Freedom of Choice’. Yo should mind your own business and look after your own family. I’m sure there’s enough shenanigans going on there that will keep you very busy. Silly misogynist! It’s people like you who give us a bad name.

      • Takbir Khan

        you are right bro,

    • Takbir Khan

      If she doesn’t care about this then who the hell u r tto say,SEX is not RAPE,if u can’t stop RAPE then forget about SEX,

    • Aadabaata

      I feel sad that a young boy like you has such regressive thoughts. And sex is a natural thing and it is not ‘such act’. You feel shame saying sex? This is truly sad. And sex is not a western phenomenon like our modern society will have is believe. Sex is as old as the human race and is as synonymous with ancient India as Toga is. Get your facts straight.

    • Nishtha

      I can’t help but go real LOL over your comment. “Western culture”. Sex doesn’t need a culture. its human process. Forgot biology lessons..huh? if they dont marry.. how does it matter to you? Get well soon you moral police!

    • anne

      Check out the khajuraho temples…ancient and “westernization” will be clearer to you…and whether people marry or not,its their personal matter and has nothing to do with any one else..where they do it…and when.Where do these moral policing go when women are groped and ogled WITHOUT their consent,this is what crossing the limit and boundary should be defined as

    • Steve Lalruatkima

      Pre marital sex, extra marital affairs and sex in general was already prevelant and practiced in IndiaIndian civilization 4000 years ago. This has nothing to do with western culture.

  • Go j

    great article

  • Go j

    I have been studying history all my life, and whatever i have read about Hinduism is that we were an extremely tolerant religion. Back in the day, and still today (to an extent), is that we were known all over the world because of our tolerance of other religions, beliefs, and ideas we don’t agree with. Any idiot can fight in the name of religion, but very few can be tolerant. A few of current actions are like ‘talibanisation’

    Don’t like bikinis, don’t wear them. Don’t like cigarettes, don’t smoke them. Don’t like clubs, don’t go there. Don’t like sex, don’t have it. But let other people decide for themselves

    • Nishtha

      Well said!

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  • jainjayesh

    If you dont hv any problem with your daughter having consent SEX with her partner,then why does your daughter need Hotels Room for this,CONSENT SEX can be done in your house itself with all the privacy !!! Isn’t it solve this problem of raiding hotels ?

    • yug

      good job man

    • Antriksh Tewari

      I personally prefer hotels over my house; less mess to clean up later! 🙂

      • jainjayesh

        awww…..Keep it UP !!!

        • Takbir Khan

          way u saying this nonsense,it mean u haven’t had SEX with anyone?????????

          • Simon

            If you want to have sex, “Keep it UP !!!” is good advice.

        • Antriksh Tewari

          Keep it ‘UP’? Pun intended? 😛

      • Steve Lalruatkima

        Hahaha …ur hilarious 😛

    • Harsh Sampat

      how is there privacy when your parents are around good logic nutjob

      • jainjayesh

        I am referring to the author who is posing as a Mother who doesnt mind her daughter hving CONSENT SEX in hotels and then getting caught in raids… I am not saying that you do it infront of your parents…you can do it behind closed door of your bedroom…atleast there will be privacy behind closed door and no fear of getting caught !!!

        • Harsh Sampat

          they mind them getting caught in raids thats what the whole article is about , and if you dont get privacy at your house youre not going to kick your parents out and do it just do it privately and inconspicously and you cant use the force of police to stop them from doing it if you dont like it cause they are free adults

        • Aadabaata

          This is what’s wring with the world, we think we own people. Husbands own wives, parents own children, employers own employees. But we do NOT. Every individual has the fundamental right to their choices. Where and with whom they have sex is totally THEIR choice. It’s a personal right. No one, not even a parent has any say in it. Sex is a normal and fundamental right. Like eating and sleeping and feeling safe. Clean your head mister!

          • jainjayesh

            Even i believe SEX is normal and fundamental right of every human being ,neither i oppose those people who hv sex for your their pleasures with whomever they wish and yes,it their RIGHTS and CHOICE,but question here arises why do you need hotel to exercise your fundamental right if they aren’t wrong,do it at your place,in your private bedroom?Can you justify this ?

          • Aadabaata

            Then, maybe, you have no knowledge of the space crisis in the cities and the unnatural social set ups at home in our country. How many young people have rooms to themselves. And most importantly what is wrong with hotels? Society makes it sound ugly because society thinks sex is ugly. Get it?

    • Anon

      That’s the problem of parents not bloody police. You understand the difference?

  • Dr. Deepti Karane

    NO THE WRITER CANNOT BE A MOTHER, THIS IS SOME FEMINIST WHO IS JUST THROWING HER FRUSTRATION OUT.Which mother will talk so shamelessly letting her daughter being used by her friends and banged by college gangs and taken for overnight pleasures,it is obvious these guys won’t marry her , else they would have not used them so lecherously, no lover and fiancee who is serious does that, so this is not consensual sex by them but this is the consent of parents to take their daughters for crossing like you take dogs and bitches ,thats what you want to say ? what breed are you and what mother are you yaar, so you have made your daughter live the life of a sex worker that too working for free.Do you understand how many people would use her all her life and then you would by hook or crook tie her to a billionaire and then sue him in false charges , Or may be this is what mothers are all about now, because she herself must be in another hotel room with some uncle….. keep your filth in your own house darling , i am a woman and I understand how demeaning your article is for the dignity of a human being , forget about a woman.Your daughter’s face is seen , why are you hiding , come out in open.

    • robibanerjee

      “The consent of the parents.” Please listen to yourself. You’ve never felt like having sex, right? That’s probably because you were an ugly girl and no one wanted you. After years of being unwanted, you now think that the act of intimacy or affection is taboo – that your daughters don’t deserve it either. That’s not a failing of your daughter. That’s a failing of you, a parent. You’d rather put your daughter in a prison to keep her safe rather than allow her to be free. That makes you a warden, not a mother.

    • Harsh Sampat

      your opinion does not matter on what anyone else does if you dont like apples dont eat apples dont want let your daughter eat apples its fine… we cant make your opinions laws so dont use the threat of the police or public humiliation to stop everyone else from having apples not to mention somethings are private and somethings are public i like to masturbate and my neighbor probably likes to do so to but i dont want him knowing when and how i do it and i dont come out and tell him i did it. and with your over the top logic you have used you can make anything sound disgusting for example. i bet you take a bath naked i mean completely naked you disgusting person have you no shame do you teach your daughter to do that or in some countries Muslim leaders condemn the wearing of jeans saying it causes unwanted friction in the nether regions which can corrupt other men when they look into the woman’s eyes… that’s some real scientific shit right there

    • Aadabaata

      You are such a sad old regressive hag. I really wish you don’t have a daughter or you’ll make her as big a loser as you are. Sheesh

      • varun

        What do u mean/ if u have a daughter,if u r ok with your daughters consensual sex, give ur address to other male animals who are hungry enough to woo your daughter and will sleep with her with her consent in your bedroom with your consent and can satisfy her carnal desires.

        • Aadabaata

          You are so silly, I do not even know how or what to write in reply! You are what is wrong with this world.

    • ekta

      lol u have already mentioned in ur 1t line that she would a FAMINIST, let me convey you a faminist acc to you is a girl who has witten dis then she wl or might have daughtr n its her fucking right to do and go anywhere she wants, and need not ask anyone for permisn. Its allowd in india to get into a arrange marriage and ask for a bby in d yr but nt make love before marriage… HATS OFF TO THE PPL WHO HAVE TIME FOR OL DIS..
      ps: I dint want to commnt as dse r ur thought and just did to share mine… No Offence

      • varun

        What do u mean? if u have a daughter,if u r ok with your daughters consensual sex, give ur address to other male animals who are hungry enough to woo your daughter and will sleep with her with her consent in your bedroom with your consent and can satisfy her carnal desires.

        • Kunal Nadkarni

          Varun, your father really should have used a condom..

    • gj

      I never comment on articles but your comment was just densely stupid.
      after all you are a doctor (or so the name suggests). How can you be so ignorant? Its a mothers responsibility to teach her kids right from wrong, not to control their lives. Every person is born free. NO ONE OWNS ANYONE. She or he can do whatever he/she wants as long as its not illegal/harming an other being.
      Premarital sex is legal.
      hotel room is not public.
      I dont see where the law is broken.
      I would suggest you to open your mind and atleast consider the possibility of a free being.or let me put it this way.if your child decides to leave the house, guess what happens. Nothing, he/she can.you dont own them.they are not your slaves/property.well this is just my opinion about your dumb thoughts.
      peace.

  • Amal Biswas

    I laugh at people sharing this and commenting on it. The blog is successful. A creative writer knew how to spark the fire. I dont say against sex or privacy. Two adults want to do it please let them do. I also admit there are better things police needs to do than raiding hotels. But i also admit… no mother would say “yes beta have sex… if u want… and then if u dont want to marry him or her fine… go ahead dump that one and marry another. You are free”. That doesnt make us free. It makes us dumb. Yes pre marital sex, consensual sex, does exist. So mother and father doesnt decide on having or not having sex. Just like they dont say go ahead drink and fall down on floor. We still drink and smoke… just only rare few does it openly infront parents… and some hide and do it. Family cultures, values etc are different and diversified in India. I believe India should not overtly forget about respect and cultures. Police has done a bad thing to highlight yes. But this letter is dupe. Wrong number.

    • Ramesh Halder

      you wont allow your son/daughter to have sex before marriage, allow to masturbate or watch a porn, but you want a grandson or grand-daughter from your child within his/her 1st year of marriage?

      • Amal Biswas

        Hello ramesh. You replied to my writing. But i never said anything about my son and daughter masturbate or watching porn. I dont have a son or daughter. But surely i will not ask them to masturbate or watch porn. My dad and mom never said. Its your age and hormones. It happens naturally. Also who am i to decide when my son or daughter needs a baby. Its they who need to decide when they would be responsible about it. I am still not ready for a son and daughter. But we are drifting from main issue here. Clicks on blogs make money. Phoney writings and false letters. 🙂 that was the concern.

        • Anonymous

          The problem is that in India, if parents become free then people like you have problem and if they are reserved then also people like you have problem.

          The writer here told specifically that if it was consensual then she was okay with it as she gave full freedom to her daughter to be the way she wants to, think the way she wants to and trust me India is modernizing so it is very much possible that some families do have an open mind about a lot of things.

          If similar thing might have happened in probably some other part then you might have said that this happens there. This is their culture but what if some families want to adopt their culture and come out of some old bullshit thinking.

          Stop using an ABACUS when you have Calculators or computers..

          • Amal Biswas

            Exactly, it depends. why are u anonymous if you are so free. The problem is we are trying to be western, but not yet being western. I am just in my 30’s. I don’t have any problems against parents and I do despise Police showcasing unimportant things. But why cant India be India. We are Indians aren’t we? Why aren’t we happy being Indians? Why does everyone have to revolt against indian society. If they dont like india or Indians as they are fine, leave the country. But just like some moms and dads are trying to adopt western culture some might also like to follow own culture. I dont mix issues. I would like Police to concentrate on thieves and terrorists and goons. But I would also not say every woman will think the same way like the writer, it does not happen that way. But anyway we have made enough hits for the blog, and foolishly fell for its marketing. These type of writings, anti society, against everything, showcasing negatives, do work. And that I am against. Fine, why didnt the writer also give name and real contact along with his or her daughters? In fact why is is about a daughter? why dont we see a boys mom or dad writing the same? Didnt we hear some day back “:Ask your boy to behave dont ask us how to dress?” and stuffs? Why is it always about a woman? Because that works?? because if it was a boys mother writing the same, wont others curse her for not making her boy behave?? consensual sex, fine with it. But who takes guarantee that all of them were having consensual sex and their mother and fathers did think same way. maybe some thought differently isn’t it?

            But again, we are drifting. that was not what was my motive. My motive was to say… just because these work, doesnt mean the write up is from a real mother. I still despise act of mumbai police, they had better things to do. I admit that.

          • Amal Biswas

            For example, I see the blog has a tab called “Women’s Issues”. Dont find “men’s issues”. Dont men in India have any issues? But I don;t see anyone flagging this as a gender bias. 🙂

          • peter

            hey amal, it seems your definition for ‘culture’, liberally used in front of indian here, is very rigid. any good ‘culture’ should allow for its followers to judge the finer details, accept what they feel is right, and reject the rather foolish/irrelevant ones. by your logic, indians should still practice sati, dowry and child marriage in the name of tradition.

          • Md Azhar

            I am totally agree wid Amal & mkstly u’ll just find a women empowerment stories in social sites to gain an eye of a people through a sparkling fire topics

          • Udita Zara Chakrabarti

            Umm excuse me? Cultures are never stagnant. It evolves and Indian culture needs to evolve. When you want to stick to traditions just for the sake of it without realising that society has changed and so d traditions you get the kind of shit in Mid East. And for Pete’s sake stop categorizing consensual present marital sex as a Western Value. Our history is full of and some even encouraging it yes within hypocritical ambits such as courtesans only. And even courtesans in many cases were treated with a dignity that we should envy despite the fact that they can’t usually be the ‘normal’ woman who is a virtuous wife. And that was so until about a few centuries ago we decided to reach a rock bottom following immigration of foreigners and finally invasion so our women can’t be taken. Compare that to the Victorian society which was fucking suffocating. Access to rights is for everyone and just because it was first recognised in the Western world doesn’t make it Western ok?

          • Steve Lalruatkima

            I soooo agree with u when u said “cultures need to evolve”. The problem with the Indian society is that we don’t evolve. Were still stuck at a particular period of time

          • Tarannum Rana

            Amal Biswas,clear your mind of its own contradictions.Adopting a more liberating form of lifestyle is surely not call westernisation. Talking about we Indians being Indians,well my friend,you need to update yourself about Indian history.Heard about Kamasutra?Yeah,we Indians can claim credit for it.
            Indians have, in fact, LOST their concept of individual freedom.And you are one among those who still can’t find it.You try to fake that concept by poking people about being anonymous,you fake!Why the hell should they give you their name to a dunce like you?
            Coming back to the topic,yes,the letter could have been written by some mother.Maybe even a father.I,unlike you,did not missed when the writer specifically stated that they HAD TAUGHT THEIR KID WELL about what is consensual and what is not.
            And don’t worry your head about whether what happened in that hotel was consensual or not.That is not what the issue is about.The issue is about us being humans first,Indians or not later.The issue is that there were HUMANS behind those closed doors,not Indians who harassed in the the name of law and Indian-ness by the likes of you.You are no different than those police personnel arresting those people.So stop your morel policing,and stop trying to arrest our patience.And about you being bothered by the blog collecting precious tonnes of money by initiating this discussion,,,why don’t you leave for some spiritual indian yatra and leave the internet for those who understand it?

    • Anil

      This is acche din! Enjoy!!

  • Shashank

    Okay , I just want one thng just for clarity mayb m not so much socially aware. The question is , y are we assuming they were only girls in their early teens or unmarried girls ?? They cudv been engaged or married for all I know ..
    P.S just wondering …if there were even some of them like those I mentioned up. Wasn’t this action by police again ” wrong “

    • Udita Zara Chakrabarti

      Just because they could have been married women it still doesn’t mean the police can arrest them unless someone’s husband has filed a complaint. That is still breach of private rights. And also just necause someone’s married, don’t assume the husbad doesn’t know. Open marriages exist although in secret. Unless the husband says something, a third party has no right to violate someone’s privacy.

      • Shashank

        Yup cudnt say it more better. 🙂
        Moral policing troubles us all . i wud say please use the power where its “required” not where u can.

        N to add to ur points , they mightv husband n wife themselves there..like I said I can’t really know every body seems to b so judgemental already . but either way u can’t intrude privacy jus like that . they cudv atleast listnd n reasoned and cross chckd before dragging them out.

    • Akanksha

      Actually, I’m more interested in knowing that why are only the girls being mentioned? Are they lesbians?! Where are the guys?

      • Shashank

        Hahaha good point. People make so many assumptions without giving the matter any thot. Anyways I personally did not like the way the police handled this case . They cudv taken a bttr & sensible approach before taking harsh actions based on just tip off and assumptions. This was not as if the tip off was regarding any outside threat. It was all together a different issue itself.

  • anne

    First of all,stop shaming the women,there were not alone in that room,learn to be less hypocritical,secondly,kudos for the writer for pointing out the consensual part..people often have their noses up in other’s businesses which has honestly nothing to do with them,forcing it on the name of culture and tradition..

  • I just want to say that using the term ‘consensual sex’ is wrong. Sex implies that its consensual & rape implies that its not.

  • Ravi Prasad

    First point why do all of you give a f**k ???? Girl doesn’t have a problem Guy doesn’t have a problem whats the problem ???????

  • Akshay Iyangar

    lol. The writer may be a woman in the racket 😛 . And yes if it’s consensual no one should have a f**king problem. But only question is what if your wife is unsatisfied and has sex ?? India is still not open minded. I know many friends who are ok if their bf or gf cheats on them but after marriage they cant stand it? This is being hypocrite. So all Indian MEN if you ever find out your wife is with another guy then kill yourself before killing her because you couldn’t keep her happy. If you are broad minded dump her and shove her. Do you guys have the guts?? If not then please don’t carry an attitude of so called “open-minded”.

    • annoy

      From where the wife comes in pic? u completely off the topic what u talking about is infidelity

    • Ravi

      I think your wife got caught by Mumbai Police, so you are happy for it LOL!!!

    • varun

      u r right.see my post at the top

  • Hemant Menthula

    Excellent post,I agree with the writer. Every person have a different perception on the things the way they see. You don’t have a right to point him/her by the way they live their lives. It’s not about marriage or the satisfaction you get from sex. It’s Your insecurities and your surroundings which made you. As long as there is oppression and restriction there is a struggle and life. There are so many things police the media and the government which are need to be observed and taken care off than disrupting an individual privacy by making hideous acts. There is always two sides of a coin. And marriage is not about virginity my friend its about love. Sex is an ultimate act of love not a game nor a act which makes you erect.

  • Chockalingam Murugan

    Well said you son of a BITCH. We understand you

    • CHK

      Mind your language

  • Steve Lalruatkima

    I dont understand the friggin problem. Two adults are having consensual sex…..so whats illegal about that? And besides why is the girl the only target…shouldn’t the guy be slapped too in all fairness? Either way…they did nothing wrong (at least legally)

  • varun

    First of all I don’t think its the father who has written this letter.Becuase if it is the father,he sounds more like a pimp than the father.Ofcourse the cops acted on an unverified tip off and that lead to uncover illegitimate sex romp happening in the hotels.I agree that most cops fail in catching the terrorists and rapists ,and collecting the evidence to prosecute them swiftly.But that doesn’t mean that your daughter is right in her act.This shows our country took the meaning of independent india in a wrong way ,following the same westerners with whom we fought and got this much earned freedom only to imitate their animal tendency to have sex and forgot about morals and modesty and couldn’t control her lust to wait till marriage.And you Mr.so called Father,if u r ok with your daughters consensual sex, give ur address to other male animals who are hungry enough to woo your daughter and will sleep with her with her consent in your bedroom with your consent.

    • Nikhil

      Your an idiot to say whatever you have said above here.. I was glad when I read this letter.. Its most likely not her father obviously.. But its cause of people like you that the country will never improve.. And we call ourselves educated.. Interesting..

      • srikanth raj

        what are you leaving in 15th century? if they are above 18 they can do whatever they want you can’t control them well only if you know the actual meaning of life.

    • Kunal Nadkarni

      Varun, you should be ashamed of yourself. Your thoughts are vile and disgusting. What the couples were doing was completely legal, and hotel rooms aren’t public places.

    • CHK

      Varun, I hope you understand what “BEING MATURED” and “CONSENSUAL” means… You think Slapping someone across the face will bring back morality to this country… Who is anyone to decide what is morally correct for any person?

      Beholding a school kid or college student, I understand… But matured people, who know what they want from life, Please think again… are you serious about what you are saying here? or is it just a Typical Narrow mindset?

    • S Arun

      Whether it is the father or any pimp writing the letter – It is immaterial here. Well the message is conveyed. And without going into the initial issue of policing in a immoral way for the most moral act of consensual sex of a couple (it may be married couples also), we started discussing who wrote the letter. Most ridiculous argument. Imagine if it had been you or your relatives caught while staying in a Mumbai hotel room and got slapped by the police – how would you feel.

    • Natasha Parakh

      how come you know what a ‘pimp’ sounds like anyway?

      also. you do not understand consent. but you probably know better. because you are a man. with muscles, and macho power.
      macho macho man
      i wanna be a macho man

    • maggie

      It’s people like you who needs to change their thinking!

  • bdj

     For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: – Matthew 15:19
    Lawlessness clearly defined according to divine intervention. Choice is yours either abide and gain or justify the Lawlessness in you and face consequences.
    Any action that makes one hide their face proves their guilt. Guilt doesn’t make one lawful. If you haven’t broken any rule maybe of the family to which you belong, you would be standing with your head high. Actions that bring shame to the family are not worth defending because they are disgusting.
    Trust in the Lord, His children are disciplined because they abide by His laws unlike the unruly who keep justifying themselves.

    • Kunal Nadkarni

      Even if they have broken the laws of the family to which they belong, THAT IS NOT A CRIME. The police can’t take any action for breaking of family laws. What those people were doing was legal and with consent of each other. So please, keep your moral policing to yourself.

    • Natasha Parakh

      ummmmm. i believe that those laws got outdated like 5 centuries ago.

  • Nitin Shettigar

    Ashamed of some people in Mumbai police after what they did recently… They should have been busy finding terrorists, rapists, kidnappers, robbers, local goons etc. But unfortunate to see they were busy catching innocents who were just having a personal joy…

  • Vishwanath

    Well Said Varun I support you brother actually these so called modernism have really malign our Indian culture. May I ask them, what additional independence these parents and youth wants. Aren’t they getting freely food, air ,education etc if nudity and exposism is the freedom they want i suggest you better you became animal as animals have no boundaries ,no limitations, they breed with any one they want because they are animals they are free .Is that you want you spoiler of Indian ethics and culture. Shame on their so called innocents and their supporters.

    • Varun

      People do go nude and expose their body to their partners behind closed doors. Even in Indian culture. That is why we have so many of us.

  • sunil

    Actually,all these couples who were having consensual sex are homeless people !! Mumbai police commissioner should offer such couples temporary shelter under his security !! All couples should sign the bond that they are having consensual sex !! This would prevent crimes and litigation of rapes,couples may also donate for police charity for secure services offered by police !! Commissioner can also produce a film for such couples,titled “CHORI CHORI CHUPKE CHUPKE FUCK” !! Long live pseudo intelligence !!!!

  • शरण् कुमार्

    Alright, there are so many factors at work here. I am not against kama per se. Looking at the attire of these women, it is very clear that they come from the elite class. They do not in any case represent the average Indian woman. Now, let us come to the crux of the matter. What kind of society do we want to create? What do we mean by equality and women’s rights? Let me explain. Since most of us are English-educated, we tend to value Western culture as the norm. Most of us do not know anything about our culture. For starters, Kama Sutra is a guide to one of the purushartas, namely kama, that is a duty to be fulfilled “after” marriage. Yes, there were marriages outside wedlock in those times too, but they were not the “norm”. For Hindus, sex was always seen as a duty, a dharma, that has to be fulfilled for moksha. In the West, thanks to their Christian heritage, sex was seen as belonging to the profane, was strictly for procreation, and women were treated as second-class citizens, as they were the reason for man’s fall from grace. Today, Women’s Equality in the West is understood as a right that women give to themselves so that they can do everything what a man does. Sadly even if feminists think they are superior to men in every way, they can’t help imitating men to be taken seriously. it is feminism, that is based on Marxist radical Binarisms, class struggle and revolution by violent upheavals and uprooting of established norms, that has made the Western women lose all notion of femininity. They walk like men,talk like men, dress like men, etc. and this is unfortunately seen as freedom. Yes women face a lot of problems. But feminism, just like its parent Marxism, is in truth anti-women and anti-poor and can never serve to liberate women. While these women, femen actually, talk of rights, they do not talk of responsibilities– Right without responsibility will only lead to doom. While the right to premarital sex certainly gives the man and the woman good chances of knowing their likes and dislikes, unbridled rights in this regard will only lead to premature boredom that will make married life sour, as neither of the partner will have interest in each other. As a consequence, the divorce rates will shoot up. This is what is happening in the West. That is why the man and the woman have the “responsibility” to draw the line once the “right” to sex has been exhausted in a “responsible” manner. Bharat Mata ki jai. Such is the respect Indian men have for their women.

    • Akanksha Sharma

      ‘Bharat mata ki jai’? Is ‘Bharat mata’ really respected by men? The reason why we feminize a country is because land nurtures life but at the same time, it is exploited in the same way women are. In fact we’ve taken the feminization of a country so seriously that women are raped in times of war as an insult to the motherland. So I can’t see any respect in this. Just walking, dressing talking and acting like men is not feminism. But behaving in a feminine manner and being stereotyped as the ‘weaker sex’ is feminism too. In fact, breaking stereotypes is feminism too. Responsibilities and rights equally divided amongst both the sexes is feminism. Longer paternity leaves is all about feminism too. A man refusing to take the entire financial responsibility of an educated, capable wife is feminism too.

      And if you’re talking about kamasutra, then kindly do not forget how Indian women’s characters have been categorised in it on the basis of the geographical region… which is absolutely senseless. And do not forget the sex positions involving more than two people too, which can be performed only outside marriage in a largely monogamous society like India’s.
      And let me tell you another thing, getting married after having multiple sexual partners doesn’t lead to boredom.But marrying an unsuitable sexual partner for yourself surely does.

      • शरण् कुमार्

        “The reason why we feminize a country is because land nurtures life but
        at the same time, it is exploited in the same way women are.”—————-Going by the rape rate here in India, that is far far lesser than the one in the West. I am forced to think that we do respect our women better than the White folks. (2) “But behaving in a feminine manner and being stereotyped as the ‘weaker
        sex’ is feminism too. In fact, breaking stereotypes is feminism too.
        Responsibilities and rights equally divided amongst both the sexes is
        feminism. Longer paternity leaves is all about feminism too. A man
        refusing to take the entire financial responsibility of an educated,
        capable wife is feminism too.”———— That is never the case. Feminists have a penis envy that they hide well. Their goal is to be like super-men. that’s all. In the West, if women behave like men, they are said to be liberated. Hence the hard hand shake. Recently, some Canadian women did not wear tampons and chose to bleed to demonstrate their empowerment!!!! What stereotypes are you talking about? The ones in the West or in India? We in India do not need feminism because we have our women sufficiently empowered. Yes, there are problems, but the fact that there have been so many women in Indian political life is testament to this. FYI, I have lived in France and in many countries in the West and let me tell you, the French are far-more sexist than us Indians. The same is the case with Americans. How many women Presidents do you see in the West? In Scandinavia, women’s rights have come at the cost of the family. As for a man refusing to take responsibility—- yes, in the same vein, would you please have the honesty to agree that filing fake rape and dowry cases against men is also part of feminism????———— “And if you’re talking about kamasutra, then kindly do not forget how
        Indian women’s characters have been categorised in it on the basis of
        the geographical region… which is absolutely senseless. “—————Nobody reads the Kama Sutra before having sex. Even Vatsyayana wouldn’t have. Alright, depiction of women in kamasutra is senseless, what about porn????? Why don’t you feminists press for a ban of porn that degrades women? What about the abuse faced by prostitutes and strippers ? Why do you guys allow for that in the name of personal freedom? ———-“And do not forget the sex positions involving more than two people too,
        which can be performed only outside marriage in a largely monogamous
        society like India’s.”—————- I see. Vatsyayana also incorporates a fair bit of fantasy in it. He does not say that orgies are necessary to attain moksha. ok, which “advanced” society looks at gang bang in a “healthy” way??? The fact that we spoke of orgies way back then speaks volumes of the sexual freedom men and women enjoyed. BTW, our contemporary notions of human sexuality are based on Islamic and Christian values. So, unless “Hindu” values become part of the constitution, be it in the case of censorship or marriage inheritance laws, there can be no sane discussion——–“And let me tell you another thing, getting married after having multiple
        sexual partners doesn’t lead to boredom.But marrying an unsuitable
        sexual partner for yourself surely does.” ——— no chance. there is a huge difference between sex with a friend and sex with a husband. One needs to get married to experience this. As the couple age, there is a special feeling of warmth that is got by just holding each others hands, that can never be experienced between casual lovers. And, BTW, there is nothing called a perfect couple. It is by “compromise” that respect is earned. The woman may not have the physical traits that a man expects and conversely the man may not be man-enough, but marriages in India last because there is lot of compromise and respect for the institution of marriage. Marriages in the West are based on sexual and monetary performance, for the most part. If the man says to his partner that they should not divorce for the benefit of the child, the woman will laugh at the man. Such is the degree of perversion there. Our culture is based on responsibility and Western culture is based on rights. Let us not foolishly ape the West. It only alienates us. India’s economy depends on her families and their savings.Let us not destroy it with irrelevant Western sexual revolution rhetoric. One again, do i have the right to say Bharat MATA ki jai?

        • Akanksha

          The word ‘woman’ already has the word ‘man’ in it. She’s a woman, because she can give birth and at the same time do all the things a man can. Who are we to decide who should dress/behave/act in what manner? This doesn’t affect the society in any serious way at all. Some women (including feminists) might behave like men and some women (again, including feminists) don’t. And there are men too, who like to be feminine… and if women were not taken seriously because of their femininity, I don’t think men would’ve liked to do that!
          Oh and you talk about having a “penis envy” which makes me laugh so hard. The clitoris has twice the number of nerve endings than a penis. So I think very few women would really desire to have a penis instead of a vagina! In fact, the clitoris grows along with a woman. By the time a woman hits her menopause, the clit is SEVEN times larger than it was at birth. Coming back to the point, there are no “super men”! So a woman doesn’t desire of being one, although we all desire to be extraordinary in the fields we choose. Wearing and not wearing a tampon should entirely be a woman’s choice…. why is something so natural so disgusting to the society? Rupi Kaur just posted a picture of her stained pyjamas and Instagram removed it. That removal was the problem. Not being able to freely talk about menstruation is the problem. I understand that it is not advisable for a woman to go to a temple but who are we to dictate her and not ‘allow’ her? Let it be her own decision. The society’s responsibility ends at advising her, by stating all the reasons.

          You think that women in India are “sufficiently” empowered. The usage of this word is in itself problematic. There’s a huge difference between equality and sufficiency. In fact, the very fact that women have to either ask for or snatch away rights do to whatever they wish to (which doesn’t affect the society too adversely) is the crux of the matter at hand.
          I cannot agree with the fact that the rape rate in India is far less in comparison to the West due to the unreliability of statistical information and the fact that most cases are not reported due to fear or lack of awareness and also due to the undeniable fact of fake rape cases being reported. There’s no such thing as ‘perfection’ and everything has flaws. But that doesn’t mean that we stop working towards perfection for the development of the society. We need to work on the loopholes so that the fake dowry cases and fake rape cases are filtered from the real ones.

          • Akanksha

            Feminists are not just one breed- some are against porn and some are not. There are a lot of feminists who are anti porn and want porn to either be banned or they want women to not be depicted so disgrafully. Prostitution and strip clubs have always been a HUGE concern for feminists. Now let’s talk about the Kamasutra. Upon reading it, it’s quite clear that it is obviously meant to be read before having sex! Lol. You can’t suppose that peole have read it only after having sex. Who said Vatsyayana considered orgies necessary for the attainment of Moksha? The whole point is to be accepted by the society for who you are, as long as it doesn’t affect the society adversely at large. And what two or more people do behind closed doors with each other’s consent is nobody’s business- whether it’s a gang bang or not. So the question of whether it’s a “healthy” practice or not shouldn’t even arise. People should have their own privacy. Undoubtedly, having sex with a friend and your beloved/spouse is completely different – sex is far less pleasurable than making love. Hence, making love post marriage can never lead to boredom, even after having several sexual partners before marriage. Also, sir, you’re highly mistaken if you believe that most marriages in India are not based on monetary performance! Compromise in a marriage is inevitable but there has to be a balance and limit to it. Hence, such decisions should only be taken after putting a lot of thought into them.
            You also said that our culture is based on responsibility and the western upon rights. However, I would bed to differ from you. For the healthy fuctioning of any society, rights and duties are equally important. Every school kid has been taught that, too. Indian women have always had responsibilities but not rights. And with gaining more rights, comes more responsibility. And I cannot disagree with the fact that the responsibilities part is less talked about.
            The western ideologies are by no means perfect and neither are Indian. We are being heavily influenced by the West but what we need to do is not blindly follow them and at the same time, have a knowledge of what is good about our culture and what’s not. Change is after all, inevitable. Stagnancy leads to rotting.
            Lastly, you wanted to know if you have the right to say, “Bharat Mata ki Jai”- who am I to give you permission or take it away from you? I can only reckon it. Just like the Indian women want equal recognition for the contribution to the society and the freedom to contribute to it in the way they wish to.

          • शरण् कुमार्

            “Just like the Indian women want equal recognition for the contribution
            to the society and the freedom to contribute to it in the way they wish
            to.”————–They get their share more than Western women. Trust me. We have a long road ahead, but listen, I am from Southern India, things are very different here. That too needs to be said.

          • Akanksha

            I’ve been living in Southern India for almost a year now. Things are undeniably quite different here, but ‘different’ doesn’t mean better. And even if we suppose that Indian women get more recognition and freedom than Western women, it’s not equal. Hence, not sufficient. Consider this example, there’s an extremely famous and talented artist who makes ‘sufficient’ money (according to others) for a decent living but much less in comparison to other artists in the same league. Hope this clears your doubts about my “equality vs. sufficiency” point.

          • शरण् कुमार्

            “And even if we suppose that Indian women get more recognition and freedom than Western women, it’s not equal. “———- Got you here. Earlier, you said that you are not aping the West…but…. I guess you were joking. For the record, talking of equality, no two leaves in a branch are similar, identical or the same. Equality is cultural marxist maya. Get over it.

          • Akanksha Sharma

            Oh well. You’re a Tamil brahmin and I’m a brahmin too. So yeah. I am a Hindu and I’m not anti any religion including Hinduism, of course. I’m not aping the west but I’m definitely influenced by it, retaining/filtering my ‘Hindu’ ideologies. And if you were a true Hindu, you would not be anti any religion. You’re living in a hindu dominated Indian past which was, unlike your belief, not Utopian. And we don’t live in that era anymore. Indeed, no two leaves in a branch are the same but fundamentally, they are…. the tree doesn’t differentiate between them and give one more importance than the other.

          • शरण् कुमार्

            I see. Really? You are a Brahman. In case you didn’t know, the dharma of a Brahmana is to protect Dharma. Christianity and Islam are not religions but political ideologies that are hell-bent on the obliteration of Dharma. As Krishna has clearly laid down the guidelines for preservation of Dharma in the Bhagavat Gita, it is my Brahmana jati-dharma to be an intellectual kshatriya and fight Christians, Muslims and Feminists who are a-dharmic. And you think you are as much Brahmana as me. Whaaaaw! ————–Hindus make up nearly 75% of the Indian population and still it cannot be called a Hindu country? I wonder who is blind to the truth? As for the tree, yes indeed, Man and woman are the two leaves of the branch called Humanity. It is Feminists like you who think that women are more valuable than men. Grow up. One last thing, “I’m not aping the west but I’m definitely influenced by it, retaining/filtering my ‘Hindu’ ideologies”————–You cannot filter Hindu thoughts in the light of Western weltanschauung. In fact, this is the essence of the Macaulay mindset. Hindu and Western logical categories are incompatible.

          • Mass Idiot

            These articles are written by pimps for horny slutty girls- girls who call themselves “modern” n make fun of decent girls calling them names

          • Media Radar

            Interesting debate. I learnt a lot from it – thank you. But debating with someone who switches from criticizing symantics to ad-hominems – dont think you can convince someone who is intoxicated by heady whiff of power, and has a strong sense of inferiority.

            Thats what happens to people who have lost all control over their minds & bodies. They proclaim they are brahmins, without knowing they are actually Shudrs – Rajiv Malhotra is far more a Brahmin than you or me.

            Let her be – law of consequences spares noone. Those who refuse to protect Dharm wont be protected by Dharm, She will learn too late in life, the damage she has wreaked on herself and others by her unthinking posturing. I meet many in my work – they want to be men with ovaries, not women, and dont ever bother to think why actual rapes in the land of hooters are 10-14 times that in India, despite any slights and wrong being called a ‘rape’ case in India. These women are sitting ducks for islamists and christians who care to impregnate them – physically and/or mentally.

          • शरण् कुमार्

            I totally agree with you. Thanks for the compliment.

          • Akanksha Sharma

            Rofl. So you mean to disrespect me by calling me a shudra? ?
            Oh god bless both of you!

            Some people are blind. And those ‘some people’ are you two who have travelled back in time and refuse to come back. History is being made every second… but you ignore it on a much larger level.

          • Akanksha Sharma

            I do not feel inferior but certainly, the ways in which you’re trying to attack me are targeted at making me feel so.
            What a miserable effort.

          • शरण् कुमार्

            “She’s a woman, because she can give birth and at the
            same time do all the things a man can. “———-A man in a wo-man is sheer word play that will be lost in translation, much like Feminism itself.Let me tell you the case in say Thamizh. aan for man and penn for woman——-No connection—–Coming back, In truth, there are certain things men can do. There are many things they cannot do. The same applies to women.Dharmic –dhrishti– assumes that physically we are different, but spiritually the same. Now, in the Western tradition, that is not the case. As I already mentioned, women were considered second-class citizens and they needed Feminism to bring them out of Christian totalitarianism. FYI, back in the 40’s in the US
            of America, an official from the Parish/local Church would knock on every door and give orders on right conduct for menstruating women! In the West, voting rights for women is very much a 20th century thing while we Indians have had our Rani Chinnamas and Jhansis and Kannagis at least some 300 years ago. In fact, a lady named Ouvaiyyar was the Defense Minister back in the 10th century
            in Pandiya’s court. Unlike the White folks, we Hindus never underestimated the managerial skills of women — Coming back, Men and women are neither similar nor identical, let alone the same. This applies even in the case of two women. Feminism fails to recognize this basic facet of nature. Please note that Feminism, after all, rose as a violent reaction to Abrahamism and, therefore, retains the essential reductionist framework. For Feminists and Christians alike, differences are to be hidden for effective assimilation and “uniformity” is to be achieved at any cost (See: Egalitarianism). This is the very root of Western Universalism a.k.a Eurocentrism and American
            Exclusivism. To cut to the chase, Feminism at heart is as much totalitarian and a-dharmic as Islam and Christianity. ————-“Oh and you talk about having a “penis envy” which makes me laugh so hard. The clitoris has twice the number of nerve endings than a penis. So I think very few women would really desire to have a penis instead of a vagina! In fact, the clitoris grows along with a woman.”———– I have read Virginia Wolf to Helene Cixous to Marie Therese Humbert to Simone de Beauvoir— all of these writers talk actively about the penis. In any case, I am afraid you miss the subtleties my a mile. ———– “There’s a huge difference between equality and sufficiency. In fact, the very fact that women have to either ask for or snatch away rights do to whatever they wish to (which doesn’t affect the society too adversely)is the crux of the matter at hand. “——————- Equality and sufficiency —- not at all clear. Listen, as I mentioned before, there are many problems such as unequal pay, etc. but my hypothesis is that Feminism,much like Marxism, is a Western Elitist thing (trust me, I have lived in a country that is one of the torchbearers of feminism even to this day). It will not suit the needs of the Indian society. Much like Marxism, it too will die a slow death. ————–“I cannot agree with the fact that the rape rate in India is far less in comparison to the West due to the unreliability of statistical information and the fact that most cases are not reported due to fear or lack of awareness and also due to the undeniable fact of fake rapecases being reported. “—————Under-reporting of rape is common to all societies. Out of the “reported” cases, America and Europe still have higher rape rate compared to India in terms of demography. “But that doesn’t mean that we stop working towards perfection for the development of the society. We need to work on the loopholes so that the fake dowry cases and fake rape cases are filtered from the real ones.”——– Mea Culpa. Finally, some recognition of Feminism’s failure to mask its imperfections. Listen, many women like you just uncritically swallow whatever is “Western” without Hinduizing/”reversing the gaze”, as Rajiv Malhotra would put it. One needs to live in the West for a long time and experience their culture to understand how much better we Bhartiyas are, culturally and spiritually. Without the succor of law, women in the West would be stripped of their “hard-earned” privileges and be pushed to the stone age. That is not the case here in India. One last thing, I’ll tell you why women’s rights (WR) won’t work in a country like India. For WR to be successful, the Police Station and Judiciary are a must as they the sole delivery mechanisms. Out of the 660 000+ villages in India, there are only 14 000 police posts and even lesser courts that are equipped to fast track judgements independent of the High Courts. Assuming 70% of India lives in the villages, how can WR see the light of the day when the infrastructure does not exist? This is the not the case in the USA where there are no villages without a police post and the office of the DA. Despite such heavy policing, the crime rate is very high compared to India. This is ample proof that India is not a rights based/ book-based culture. Our yardstick is sva-dharma. The women who got arrested (though very unfortunate, I must say) do not represent the culture of India in any way. I like argumentative folks like you. Cheers.

          • Akanksha

            You, sir, like many others are comparing two things that shouldn’t be compared- India and the ‘west’. Calling Hinduism ‘better’ than the Abrahamic religions is like calling potatoes better than tomatoes. Moreveover, let’s not forget that India is not a hindu country. It is a country of many religions. In fact, the Muslim population in India has recently pipped the Hindu population. Hence, taking just hindu beliefs into consideration isn’t enough. Besides, even in Hindu tradition there are a lot of things that are extremely problematic. Even in the case of menstruating women.. like not letting them entering the kitchen, making them sleep on the floor etc. Things were not like that down south but even in today’s day, the depiction of women in south Indian movies is just…. PATHETIC. And such depiction, as you know says a lot about the mentality. Even in a ‘Hindu’ mythological movie like Bahubaali where a woman warrior is stripped and make up is put on her face to make her realise that she’s a woman… and this is happening while she’s trying to attack! It’s hilarious and… it’s just one example.
            Oh and coming to the “penis envy ” point…. I did not miss the ‘subtleties’ because it was in fact, quite shallow since you have missed the subtleties in Beauvoir’s, Woolfe’s and Humbert’s writings. Talking about the penis doesn’t mean that there’s a ‘penis- envy’. Men talk about, scrutinise a females sexual organ so much but I’m sure that they’re not envious of women! (FYI. it’s supposed to be a joke… and I was stating facts about the clitoris just to bring a little humour to the conversation). You might have missed out on my “coming back to the point” part. Contrary to your belief, feminism is not dying but it has been rising for a very very long time!
            You accuse me of not ‘reversing the gaze’ (I am not comfortable with the usage of the word ‘hinduizing’) the concept and ‘uncritically swallowing whatever is Western’. I have already mentioned that we should neither follow the west blindly nor should we ignore the Indian ideologies. This clearly means that you have not even read my replies thoroughly; perhaps you’re not taking me so seriously. I wouldn’t want to judge though.
            Saying that WR cannot be implemented effectively due to the lack of infrastructure is giving up. And if we have to give up, then we should give up on every kind of development because it’s just so difficult! Besides, rape cases might be much more under reported in India due to the very lack of infrastructure.
            Lastly, you’ve been quite anti- totalitarianism and so am I. But the difference in us is that I do realise that any concept cannot be applied uniformly to every part of India. Due to the diversity of this nation, no particular segment of the society can represent India. And because of this no segment can be ignore either. Even the women who have been arrested do not represent India but surely reflects the mentality of a certain section of the society, including the police. Therefore, it is a matter of concern.

          • शरण् कुमार्

            Dear Madam, ———- (1) “You, sir, like many others are comparing two things that shouldn’t be compared-
            India and the ‘west’. Calling Hinduism ‘better’ than the Abrahamic religions is like calling potatoes better than tomatoes.”————— It becomes very clear that you do not understand the essence of Sanathana Dharma. Misogyny is an integral part of Abrahamism. Please do some reading on this score. —-http://indiafacts.co.in/killing-the-feminine-misogyny-in-christianity/ —— (2) “Moreover, let’s not forget that India is not a hindu country. It is a country of many religions.”————- This is beside the point, but all other warring faiths such as Christianity and Islam are able to coexist here thanks to the ekam sad way of life that is irrefutably Dharmic. This is a Hindu country as much as France is Catholic, whether you like it or not. ———- (3) “Besides, even in Hindu tradition there are a lot of things that are extremely problematic. Even in the case of menstruating women.. like not letting them entering the kitchen, making them sleep on the floor etc. Things were not like that down south but even in today’s day, the depiction of women in south Indian movies is just…. PATHETIC.”—————— Talking of movies, you sound like a Muslim by taking the artistic representation of something too seriously. For the record, I am a TamBrahm, and we are always made to look like scheming assholes in Tamil movies. Now, it is always Tamil Brahmin women who are portrayed as promiscuous and lustful. We just move on coz we know art is purely for art sake, unlike the Muzzies who feign peace and tolerance. So, you too, move on dear. As for women being denied access to the pooja room during menstruation, asked to sleep on the floor, etc.. please note that this practice has nothing to do with discrimination, but more to do with sacred and profane. Bodily fluids (semen, menstrual fluids) are generally considered “profane” in Hindu smritis. When the woman menstruates, she is in state called the liminal which is neither sacred nor profane. Once the periods are over, she gets back her sacred status. As a Brahmana male, I am not supposed to do sandhyavanadanam without having a bath and I don’t see this as “discrimination” or denial of my “rights”. ———— (4) “I have already mentioned that we should neither follow the west blindly nor should we ignore the Indian ideologies. This clearly means
            that you have not even read my replies thoroughly; perhaps you’re not taking me so seriously. I wouldn’t want to judge though.” ———- I am not gonna call you judgmental. So, go ahead. Now, you say you want to Indianize feminism. I don’t see that anywhere in our discussions. Even the name feminism is in a foreign language, viz. English. ———–What is your idea of a just society? ——- Ps. don’t say women need to be paid the same salary and stuff coz no two men are paid the same salary for the same kind of work across different companies, get the point???? How do you think Feminism a la Indian needs to take on a Hindu avatar so that it helps women to find a balance between their needs, their rights and their responsibilities???—————–
            (5) “Saying that WR cannot be implemented effectively due to the lack of infrastructure is giving up. And if
            we have to give up, then we should give up on every kind of development because it’s just so difficult! Besides, rape cases might be much more under reported in India due to the very lack of infrastructure.”———- India and infrastructure. hmmmmm. Alright, keep trying. All the best. As for the case of under-reporting in India, your impressions are just nothing more than Anti-Hindu prejudice. Under-reporting has to do with social attitudes towards rape and not infrastructure. This is the point you are missing—- There is better legal and other infrastructure in the West. And yet the rape rate is way higher because law and order “has miserably failed” to empower Western women or educate men vis-a-vis patriarchal attitudes. The reasons are more cultural than legal. Especially in North India, it is because of Islam that women have lost their standing; it is much better in the South because, thanks to great Hindu empires such as the Maratha, Chalukya and the Vijayanagara, the Muslims were not able to influence the attitudes of men towards women. The solution lies in de-islamizing India and not making it more ”consumerist” and “feminine”. ———– (6) ” But the difference in us is that I do realise that any concept cannot be applied uniformly to every part of India. Due to the diversity of this nation, no particular segment of the society can represent India. And because of this no segment can be ignore either. Even the women who have been arrested do not represent India but surely reflects the mentality of a certain section of the society, including the police. Therefore, it is a matter of concern ”. ———I agree, but these women are dressed inappropriately for a conservative country like India. They are just rich “twats”, sorry for the expression, for many. To put it crudely, you can’t expect men to not have an erection if women show boobs, even in the West. As humans, we are all sex-starved. In any case, I will never want to expose my penis by wearing tight clothes in the name of freedom. Coming back, for us Indians, stripping is not a sign of freedom. We believe in talking (I reckon that despite all the diversity, Indians think alike, trust me on this point) and we men like it when women are assertive (South Indian women are proof of this) — Hindu Dharma gives ample space for the unfettered expression of women’s needs. Don’t worry. Cheers.

          • Akanksha Sharma

            It’s not bad to be pro Hinduism but demeaning /rejecting other religions is surely not going to take this country anywhere. It’s not Hindustan anymore. And it will never be that.
            The reasons behind rape are obviously, way more cultural but the lack of a strong legal system and infrastructure automatically means that there are cases that are not reported.
            Breasts are not a sexual organ. They’re just not a part of a male body and that’s why humans have sexualised them. Getting aroused by looking at breasts is conditioned and not natural. But there’s no problem with a man getting aroused by looking at a woman. It is a problem only when he tries to impose himself upon her.
            And as humans, we don’t have to live sex- starved all our lives. There were no condoms earlier, but now there are. Wearing short clothes is not stripping. Wearing clothes of one’s own choice is a reflection of her/his personality and not what others think they are….. even if one wants to portray his/her sexual side by wearing clothes that make one look sexually appealing, it’s meant to make one’s own self feel sensuous. India is changing, it’s not entirely conservative. You’re living in a world of your own, it seems.
            And please don’t speak on the behalf of Indians by saying “us Indians”, because I’m an Indian too and I clearly oppose your thoughts.

            If you can’t see that I have Indianized feminism in our conversation, then clearly, you haven’t even read or comprehended whatever I’ve been talking about. You think I talk like a Muslim, but whether you accept/like it or not, I am a Hindu. More importantly, I’m an Indian who knows that India is a secular nation and not a Hindu nation.

            India doesn’t have a national language. In hindi, ‘feminism’ is called ‘narivad’/ ‘nari andolan’. I don’t know about Tamil. But I know this for a fact that there’s a considerable Christian and Muslim population in Tamil Nadu.
            Feminism is already being incorporated in India and within Hinduism as well and I’m surprised that you are asking me such a question. Of course, you can’t see that there’s not much space for a woman to express herself in a hindu society. And I’m not willing to illuminate you on that since you are blind and no amount of light can do that work.
            Upon getting to know that you’re anti humanity on a whole, I do not wish to speak to you further.

          • शरण् कुमार्

            (1) It’s not bad to be pro Hinduism but demeaning /rejecting other religions is surely not going to take this country anywhere. It’s not Hindustan anymore. ———–
            Hinduism FYI is not blind submission to tolerance and political correctness. If the other does not respect you, it is foolish to unconditionally respect the other. On the one hand, Christians openly proclaim Hindu gods to be false gods and call Hindus heathens. On the other, Muslims openly call for the annihilation of non-believers called kafireen. In fact, since Hindus are not the ahl-e-kithab (people of the book), they are not even permitted to pay the jizya poll tax and live the life of dhimmis (Akbar was the only Mughal who relaxed this rule after slaughtering more than 30 000 Hindus). Please, yeah, it is clear that you know nothing about Hinduism, Christianity and Islam and your knowledge of history is at best perfunctory. ———- (2)The reasons behind rape are obviously, way more cultural but the lack of a strong legal system and infrastructure automatically means that there are cases that are not reported. ————– May I say that you are being foolishly adamant? It is not because of infrastructure that there is under-reporting of rape but because of social stigma that is cultural. Enough said on this point. ————- (3) Breasts are not a sexual organ. ——— Please I request you to go and sit for an elementary school bio class: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201305/sexual-wiring-womens-breasts——— (4) Getting aroused by looking at breasts is conditioned and not natural. But there’s no problem with a man getting aroused by looking at a woman. It is a problem only when he tries to impose himself upon her.———— Know what? it is the women who register fake rape and dowry cases who are imposing themselves on gullible men. Stop crying prosecution like your Christian and Muslim friends. ———(5) And as humans, we don’t have to live sex- starved all our lives. There were no condoms earlier, but now there are. ————– What is the point? So, now please register for a sex-ed class too. Condoms are in no way connected to the satiation of “desire” that is a primitive instinct. duh!———-(6) Wearing short clothes is not stripping. Wearing clothes of one’s own choice is a reflection of her/his personality and not what others think they are….. even if one wants to portray his/her sexual side by wearing clothes that make one look sexually appealing, it’s meant to make one’s own self feel sensuous. ————– I see. Please go to a strip club and see how women prostitute their bodies. Now, why don’t you wear a two-piece bikini for your wedding reception in the name of freedom of “sensual/sexual” expression ???? ————(7) India is changing, it’s not entirely conservative. You’re living in a world of your own, it seems. And please don’t speak on the behalf of Indians by saying “us Indians”, because I’m an Indian too and I clearly oppose your thoughts.—————-
            So, you think I am a frog in the well living in the 7th century? Didn’t I tell you that I am not Muslim? Coming back, Which India? Rural India? Come on. True,
            I should have made a distinction between Indians and Feminists. Don’t bastardize the Brahman folk, as a Feminist cannot be a good Brahman. ——— (8) If you can’t see that I have Indianized feminism in our conversation, then clearly, you haven’t even read or comprehended whatever I’ve been talking about.” —————- Not surprising then, you think I am an oaf who cannot understand the radiance of your pearls of wisdom. I wonder why you wasted so much time on me??? ———“You think I talk like a Muslim, but whether you accept/like it or not, I am a Hindu. More importantly, I’m an Indian who knows that India is a secular nation and not a Hindu nation.”—————
            I am afraid sickular Neo-Mughal will be a more apt designation for you. (9) India doesn’t have a national language. ————– Holy cow! I didn’t know that!————–(10) In hindi, ‘feminism’ is called
            ‘narivad’/ ‘nari andolan’. I don’t know about Tamil. But I know this for a fact that there’s a considerable Christian and Muslim population in Tamil Nadu.———————–
            I know this better than you. Please know that Practicing Christians and Muslims, if given the opportunity, will seek the death penalty for Feminists like you. It is better that India is a Hindu country so that at least we Hindus will listen to your nonsense and still let you live. —— (11) Feminism is already being incorporated in India and within Hinduism as well and I’m surprised that you are asking me such a question. Of course, you can’t see that there’s not much space for a woman to express herself in a hindu society. ————— Yes, I don’t see. Now, here you are being truly Abrahamic—-My way or no way. Bravo.——– (12) And I’m not willing to illuminate you on that since you are blind and no amount of light can do that work.Upon getting to know that you’re anti humanity on a whole, I do not wish to
            speak to you further. —————- Shhhhhhhhh. Shoot and scoot, eh? Good for you. You have shown that you clearly lack sound arguments in favor of your brand of Feminazism. Cheers. Let the readers decide who is more logical.

          • Akanksha

            One is the usage of knowledge, other is wasting your efforts by making it fall upon deaf ears. You’ve got so much hatred filled in your speech against the entire humanity! Although it cannot infect my mind and make me use hate speech myself, I cannot help but feel pity for you.
            I pray to god, asking for the most suitable for you and the others!

            P.s. you or any other hindu/muslim/sikh/Christian etc have not right to ‘let’ me live. The right to live or die is not even in my hands. God is the sole decision maker.

          • शरण् कुमार्

            Hate speech? Anti-humanity? Is it out of respect for the male kind that you Feminists mock or even laugh at the penis? Is it out of respect for humanity that you guys lodge fake rape and dowry cases against gullible men???? Look at yourself in the mirror before giving others a lecture.

          • Akanksha Sharma

            FYI, my dissection of the word ‘woman’ was not inteded to be taken so literally. My main objective was to state the proceeding point.

    • Akanksha Sharma

      And not being stereotyped as the ‘ weaker sex ‘ *

  • Media Radar

    So, this is a justification? I’m sorry, but if you are so much for freedom including sex, why do you support women filing ‘rape’ cases when their paramours dump them? What is the reason only ‘poor woman’ claim maintenance when the marriage (a joint decision) doesnt work out? No more a champion for freedom, but only in cases where you can be fashionably anti-government?

    Almost 60% of the rape cases are filed by women against men who dont want to marry them after courtship – thats hard data, so please dont faff. Finally, I’m a parent too, and I would much rather the police slap sense into my son, if he is found humping a schmuck in a hotel, than he becoming an unwitting prisoner by a ‘rape’ charge being slapped against him for not marrying the female, for whatever reason.

    • शरण् कुमार्

      Beautifully worded.

    • Akanksha

      Nobody supports women who file rape cases who are, as you said, “dumped”.

      Claiming maintenance should be possible for not only a woman but for a man as well, taking into consideration their income and basic needs.

  • Mass Idiot

    The writer of this idiotic article should be slapped. A femi Nazi has written this bullshit article. So according to authour a girl can fuck anybody anytime because she likes it. Such article writers are generally pimps. They roam around in colleges with girls n like their profile pics. I call them dalla. Please think of decent girls before writing about ur slutty girls whom u call modern

    • sandesh ghandat

      Totally fucking Agreee